Comments on: Un-pave the parking lot, put up a (shopper's) paradise http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise Puget Sound Transportation and Land Use Issues Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:55:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: alexjonlin http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1098 alexjonlin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1098 You're not the first one to think of putting something in there. Nitze-Stagen has a plan, which must have been put on hold because of the recession, to build a couple dozen-story building with a supermarket and lots of residential. Check it:http://www.djc.com/news/ae/11180613.html You’re not the first one to think of putting something in there. Nitze-Stagen has a plan, which must have been put on hold because of the recession, to build a couple dozen-story building with a supermarket and lots of residential. Check it:http://www.djc.com/news/ae/11180613.html

]]> By: tvjames http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1099 tvjames Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1099 I completely agree, I was actually thinking about this very thing this morning for some reason. Our cars don't enjoy the game or concert. So we should leave them at home. Or at safe and secure well-lit parking garages stacked near the freeways -- with speedy transit between the parking lots and the attractions. Because you're right. Big parking lots destroy opportunities to connect attractions to the surroundig communities. I completely agree, I was actually thinking about this very thing this morning for some reason. Our cars don’t enjoy the game or concert. So we should leave them at home. Or at safe and secure well-lit parking garages stacked near the freeways — with speedy transit between the parking lots and the attractions.

Because you’re right. Big parking lots destroy opportunities to connect attractions to the surroundig communities.

]]> By: Matt the Engineer http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1100 Matt the Engineer Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1100 [alex] It's great that I'm not the first one to think of this - it should be done. I would prefer more smaller buildings to large ones, if just for the amount of retail street area my layout would provide compared to theirs. But almost anything is better than nothing. [tv] It's always seemed disappointing to take our nice bus tunnel out to our beautiful train station, then when I start to walk to our expensive stadium I'm dumped into a parking lot with a buzz of dangerous, loud, smelly, boring cars for a few blocks. [alex] It’s great that I’m not the first one to think of this – it should be done. I would prefer more smaller buildings to large ones, if just for the amount of retail street area my layout would provide compared to theirs. But almost anything is better than nothing.

[tv] It’s always seemed disappointing to take our nice bus tunnel out to our beautiful train station, then when I start to walk to our expensive stadium I’m dumped into a parking lot with a buzz of dangerous, loud, smelly, boring cars for a few blocks.

]]> By: alexjonlin http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1101 alexjonlin Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1101 I agree about the pedestrian environment, but I think high density is good for that area... maybe make a compromise, with three 30 story buildings with pedestrian malls in between? I agree about the pedestrian environment, but I think high density is good for that area… maybe make a compromise, with three 30 story buildings with pedestrian malls in between?

]]> By: Bernie http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1102 Bernie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1102 > Who wouldn't want to live or work a block from transit? Well <b>I</b> certainly wouldn't want to live there but I'm sure there are lots and lots of people who would. I think it's a great idea and the development planning would provide a lot of jobs right now when they are so sorely needed. Who owns the land? Would the State or City benefit from a sale? As a car holding member of the right wing I always opt for transit to games. Having a great place to hang out before and after the games would be great. I don't feel safe in Pioneer Square. Nice twist on some <i>old</i> lyrics, Take parking lot, put up a paradise ;-) > Who wouldn’t want to live or work a block from transit?

Well I certainly wouldn’t want to live there but I’m sure there are lots and lots of people who would. I think it’s a great idea and the development planning would provide a lot of jobs right now when they are so sorely needed. Who owns the land? Would the State or City benefit from a sale?

As a car holding member of the right wing I always opt for transit to games. Having a great place to hang out before and after the games would be great. I don’t feel safe in Pioneer Square.

Nice twist on some old lyrics, Take parking lot, put up a paradise ;-)

]]> By: Matt the Engineer http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1103 Matt the Engineer Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1103 I believe King County owns the land, and I'd suggest they don't sell it, just provide a market-rate long-term lease. 100 year leases are common downtown, and allow for changes in land use in the future. Who knows, maybe hovercraft jousting, popular in the 2250's, will require a larger stadium. I believe King County owns the land, and I’d suggest they don’t sell it, just provide a market-rate long-term lease. 100 year leases are common downtown, and allow for changes in land use in the future. Who knows, maybe hovercraft jousting, popular in the 2250′s, will require a larger stadium.

]]> By: Frank http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1104 Frank Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1104 <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003105232_northlot05m.html" rel="nofollow">Here's some info</a> those plans, it's a bit out of date, but should give you a sense of what the ideas are. Here’s some info those plans, it’s a bit out of date, but should give you a sense of what the ideas are.

]]> By: Matt the Engineer http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1105 Matt the Engineer Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1105 Good find. <blockquote>Developers must break ground by July 2008 or the Washington State Public Stadium Authority — which is sympathetic to the consumer-show group — will control the property under terms of an agreement crafted in 1998, before construction started on Qwest Field, then called Seahawks Stadium.</blockquote> Oops. That doesn't bode well. <blockquote>Daniels said he was confident his team will follow through on its proposal, adding, "Nitze-Stagen has never announced a project it hasn't done."</blockquote> Doh! I guess there's a first time for everything. Good find.

Developers must break ground by July 2008 or the Washington State Public Stadium Authority — which is sympathetic to the consumer-show group — will control the property under terms of an agreement crafted in 1998, before construction started on Qwest Field, then called Seahawks Stadium.

Oops. That doesn’t bode well.

Daniels said he was confident his team will follow through on its proposal, adding, “Nitze-Stagen has never announced a project it hasn’t done.”

Doh! I guess there’s a first time for everything.

]]> By: Bernie http://www.orphanroad.com/blog/2009/03/unpave-parking-lot-put-shopper039s-paradise/comment-page-1#comment-1106 Bernie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://wp.orphanroad.com/?p=1038#comment-1106 True, leasing works well for the UW. I don't know if the county would be set up to administer it. Maybe they are. There must also be some laws regarding sale and lease of county lands which would determine how it would work. True, leasing works well for the UW. I don’t know if the county would be set up to administer it. Maybe they are. There must also be some laws regarding sale and lease of county lands which would determine how it would work.

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